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It was only corrupted later, when YOUR church snuffed it out of existence, hiding the light of the Gospel under a basket of man-made dogma. Not so different from what Mohammed did when he wrote the Koran. And so the Reformation Wars rage on, years after the Treaty of Westphalia.
The Koran is basically a bunch of Bible stories, except that it denies the divinity of Christ. There is no mention of love or forgiveness in it. Oops — I meant to say that Mohammed was a polytheist who then became a monotheist, not to imply that he was a polytheist for his entire life! Pick a number and stand in line. Does this mean that you are going to do things my way, or that I should be doing things your way?
Sounds good. I tried it, when I was young. For better or worse, we are where we are in history, and are blessed AND cursed with years of history. Christian history is a one way street—forward and into the future. Again, for better AND for worse. Ditto for Lutherans, Wesleyans of all stripes, Fundamentalists and Pentecostals albeit a shorter tradition.
To own your place in history, to own your own tradition and to respect the traditions of others, to recognize that all Christian traditions are equally Biblical and unbiblical, is move toward what our Lord prayed for in John 17—that we all might be one.
I am not saying that the one is better than the other Orthodoxy, RC, Protestantism, Oriental Orthodoxy etc — I know what it is to feel the pull this way or that. Just like there is modern truth and modern error. The comparison to math fails for me — because I have done quite a bit of math since leaving High School. Math depends on proof, on axioms etc etc.
Faith — well, it depends on faith. Therefore equating age or the lack thereof with truth or falsehood is fundamentally flawed. Pantheism is older than all of these for instance.
Is it therefore more true or more false? I for one will be eagerly awaiting your response. As opposed to reinventing the wheel over and over. But to a generation who were not around the last time these old mistakes were made, they seem like fresh new ideas. Definitely, I would say most here would not agree that older is better, otherwise everyone should become Hindus or Jews or Animists or whatever the first religion of men was.
Although it did give me a tool to use when I converted. Oh, well…. Fellow math nerd here math major in college, currently a math teacher. We still teach Euclid, right? Ryan — sure. But you can prove Euclid. That depends, can you separate out their teachings from their flawed worldviews? Can their teachings be separated from the flaws of their zeitgeist? I sincerely hope so…since that accusation holds to pretty much all writers, including those who penned the Bible.
I think we can understand things in their context, and choose those things that are good to pursue. Thomas Jefferson was racist more than many of his contemporaries, not just a product of his time , but we still view the Declaration of Independence as an exemplary document.
There always is a sectarian bias, a personal bias, a tribal allegiance, a matter of taste. We just need to be honest about it. Jeff, I understand the frustration with relevancy in many evangelical churches. But there are serious ones out there maybe not within 20 minutes drive, but probably within an hour. Better yet, do you think Father Capon was wrong? He was Episcopal, you know, and totally in the spirit of the Reformers. Now I may be one of the few evangelicals I know who has read the Ante-Nicene fathers through from cover to cover.
Every volume. In these circles the early church fathers are held in some esteem. As for the worship songs. Check out the CCLI top 25 worship songs. These are the song sung most by evangelical churches. As a group I would hold them up theologically against just about any set of hymns. This I have found to be the exception that proves the rule. I can also point to some truely awful hymns. The fact is the best hymns tend to survive and get promoted, the same can be said of worship songs.
Hymns used to be poetry by pastoral theologians. But neither are they sufficient for a balanced doxological diet. Sometimes a troubled soul just needs the comfort of singing about Jesus, who he is and what he has done. I need a Jesus who does something about evil beyond just existing in all his awesomeness and deserving my wholehearted devotion. They sang ancient poetry a cappella, at that , and participated in mass ritual.
Sorry, missed part of the conversation here. Just got back from purging my facebook friend list. I think I kept you Miguel, but no longer sure. Crowns for the valiant, to weary ones rest; God shall be all, and in all ever blest.
In new Jerusalem joy shall be found, Blessings of peace shall forever abound; Wish and fulfillment are not severed there, Nor the things prayed for come short of the prayer.
We, where no trouble distraction can bring, Safely the anthems of Zion shall sing; While for Your grace, Lord, their voices of praise Your blessed people shall evermore raise. I hope not, anyway….. That is, the talent IS out there. Is your the exception here? Did you mean the other hymn, the one that actually speaks in complete sentences and forms coherent thoughts? And, those guys really rock hard. Really blew my mind at the same time that I was laughing, too.
And, just to make sure, I went on Pandora and looked at the lyrics for some of the top-selling CCM artists. You really could turn any of these songs into something for Miley Cyrus or Maroon 5 with very little effort.
My Little Pony fandom. After a while, all of these songs begin to say the exact same thing in slightly different chord progressions, and there is nothing really edifying about that. However, about new not necessarily being better — I think there are nuances there as well. Your example of the cracked foundations at the Target store point to faulty engineering, possibly substandard construction materials and cut corners, maybe even an incomplete or inaccurate survey of the property.
Not to mention possible architectural problems. Yes, they were. One thing that happens a lot is that people tend to think that traditions are unchanging. Doctrinal conundrums and crises of faith will happen in any religion.
That said, neither do I believe the Evangelical church has it all figured out either. Coming from a Protestant tradition, it seems expected for us to search for a faith that speaks to us and our understanding of the world. Which is not wrong, but does make us lean towards forming the church around our understanding. It is our own unique personal bias, which should be questioned just like everything else. Neither should we change religions because we think Pope Benedict is better than Pope Francis, or vice versa when Francis is eventually gone.
We should work together with our brothers and sisters to prompt the changes we would like to see. The Church moves at a glacial pace, but that is in part due to the amount of history that goes into forming its doctrine and choices. Many of them have been addressed within the past couple of hundred years or so, some of them are still out there. If the church proper seems to move too slowly, the alternatives pop up all over the doctrinal map, and some of them are just plain kooky.
Everyone seems to have a brand new idea on how to get this God person to be with you on a more personal level, so that our own desires of the heart are put into Psalms , almost as though they are written between the lines. So that God will take up our burdens for us as in Psalms 55, and our way will be made easier. So that we see our pleas for help in those of Job or Jairus and know that God will heal us or our loved ones, or restore our wealth, etc.
But as I get older, I have evolved to see that religion is less about getting our own happiness or our own hearts filled, and much more about what we should do for others.
I am finding Evangelical religions self-centered. We quote Thessalonians to back ourselves up — no working, no eating, without even reading it in context as an admonition to Church leaders to stop bickering and get back to work, and NOT an excuse to literally starve a child. Parents Guide. External Sites. User Reviews. User Ratings. External Reviews. Metacritic Reviews.
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Added to Watchlist. Leading Men to Watch on Prime Video. Their Satanic Majesty's Request does not come anywhere close to the heights attained by the Beatles' record, and it also reaches some pretty low depths. Nevertheless, the record has some excellent moments. Bill Wyman keeps the bass footed in the blues. But Brian Jones layers on prominent Mellotron strings and effects, giving the song a surreal and cinematically epic sweep, and creating the desired soaring effect that drives Mick Jagger's vocals.
The lyrics are, on the surface, about space travel, but ultimately about distance and loneliness -- perhaps a metaphor for drug use and the increasing gulfs between youth culture and their elders, the "home" in the song. Jagger apparently wrote the lyrics in jail, the same time he wrote "We Love You," after being arrested in an infamous drug bust at Keith Richards' estate, a fact that would certainly play into the lonely feel of the lyric.
The song is often cited as an exception to the overall subpar effort of Their Satanic Majesty's Request, a record that even the Stones themselves have sought to distance themselves from, variously dismissing it as a product of over-indulgence of drugs and a moment of spite directed at their then-manager and producer Andrew Loog Oldham. The Stones realized, though, the record's good moments, and on tours in the mid- to late '90s resurrected " Light Years From Home" in a powerful rendition.